Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine - PRB SQL Express Installation not installing Manager

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PRB SQL Express Installation not installing Manager

ATS

2006-11-27, 7:18 pm

PRB SQL Express Installation not installing Manager.

Please help,

We are trying to work with SQL Server Express 2005, but we are having
several installation problems.

#1) Despite all efforts, the Database Manager program (ssmsee.exe) is NOT
being installed on some XP-Pro machines even though the user has FULL admin
right (and then some) to their machine. And the machine is fully 100% updated
with all MS patches, including IE 7. This includes many uninstall-reinstall
efforts.

#2) On some machines that HAD the Database MAnager, the user logs in, and
then suddenly it is GONE. The file and the short cut link.

#3) We need a profiler tool like SQL Server's 2000 Profiler which worked on
MSDE, but does not seem to be able to work on SQL Express 2005.

Andrea Montanari

2006-11-28, 5:27 am

hi
ATS wrote:
> PRB SQL Express Installation not installing Manager.
>
> Please help,
>
> We are trying to work with SQL Server Express 2005, but we are having
> several installation problems.
>
> #1) Despite all efforts, the Database Manager program (ssmsee.exe) is
> NOT being installed on some XP-Pro machines even though the user has
> FULL admin right (and then some) to their machine. And the machine is
> fully 100% updated with all MS patches, including IE 7. This includes
> many uninstall-reinstall efforts.

I'm not sure I understood your problem... SQLEXPR.EXE, the installer of
SQLExpress, does not contain SQL Server Management Studio Express... it has
to be (downloaded) installed separately from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...&displaylang=en
the SQLExpress with Advanced Service package, available from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...&displaylang=en ,
includes it...

> #2) On some machines that HAD the Database MAnager, the user logs in,
> and then suddenly it is GONE. The file and the short cut link.

?

> #3) We need a profiler tool like SQL Server's 2000 Profiler which
> worked on MSDE, but does not seem to be able to work on SQL Express
> 2005.
on SQLExpress no profiler (meaning the graphical tool) is available... you
have to use a full edition to get the profiler.. even a Developer edition...
but you can prepare and define Transact-SQL traces tha can be run on
SQLExpress... you can trace to tables (impacting SQLExpress performances) or
to file.. in the second case, you then usually need the graphical tool to
better see and identify the results...
--
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
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ATS

2006-11-28, 7:20 pm

Thank you for the reply,

You have answered 1 and 2 through that link. Basically to explain 1 and 2 in
other words. We installed SQL Express 2005 and it DID install the management
tool, the same one that is in that link you provided. But it did not do this
on every machine. And on some machine, after a few days, it disappeared. And
no matter what we tried to do on the machines that never got it, or once had
it, we could never get it again. From this, I would have to say, that perhaps
the SQL Express 2005 installer has some bug that is making it install the
manager tool either from itself, or maybe the web, some of the time, and then
perhaps removing it from the SQL Server Express 2005 service. As nothing else
can explain this behavior. We have tested this out over 7 machines, including
2 of which were Windows 2000. Strangely, the Windows 2000 machines were the
only one to get the manager tool and keep them so far.

As for the #3, can one use the SQL Server 2000 profiler with a SQL Express
2005 database? Once upon a time, with MSDE, one could do that.

Arnie Rowland

2006-11-28, 7:20 pm

ONLY if you have a legitimately purchased and licensed copy of SQL Server
which gives you license to use Profiler.

--
Arnie Rowland, Ph.D.
Westwood Consulting, Inc

Most good judgment comes from experience.
Most experience comes from bad judgment.
- Anonymous

You can't help someone get up a hill without getting a little closer to the
top yourself.
- H. Norman Schwarzkopf

"ATS" <ATS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:94AFAA47-854B-493C-A6E8- 3C9CFA365FFF@microso
ft.com...
> Thank you for the reply,
>
> You have answered 1 and 2 through that link. Basically to explain 1 and 2
> in
> other words. We installed SQL Express 2005 and it DID install the
> management
> tool, the same one that is in that link you provided. But it did not do
> this
> on every machine. And on some machine, after a few days, it disappeared.
> And
> no matter what we tried to do on the machines that never got it, or once
> had
> it, we could never get it again. From this, I would have to say, that
> perhaps
> the SQL Express 2005 installer has some bug that is making it install the
> manager tool either from itself, or maybe the web, some of the time, and
> then
> perhaps removing it from the SQL Server Express 2005 service. As nothing
> else
> can explain this behavior. We have tested this out over 7 machines,
> including
> 2 of which were Windows 2000. Strangely, the Windows 2000 machines were
> the
> only one to get the manager tool and keep them so far.
>
> As for the #3, can one use the SQL Server 2000 profiler with a SQL Express
> 2005 database? Once upon a time, with MSDE, one could do that.

Andrea Montanari

2006-11-28, 7:20 pm

hi,
ATS wrote:
> Thank you for the reply,
>
> You have answered 1 and 2 through that link. Basically to explain 1
> and 2 in other words. We installed SQL Express 2005 and it DID
> install the management tool, the same one that is in that link you
> provided. But it did not do this on every machine. And on some
> machine, after a few days, it disappeared. And no matter what we
> tried to do on the machines that never got it, or once had it, we
> could never get it again. From this, I would have to say, that
> perhaps the SQL Express 2005 installer has some bug that is making it
> install the manager tool either from itself, or maybe the web, some
> of the time, and then perhaps removing it from the SQL Server Express
> 2005 service. As nothing else can explain this behavior. We have
> tested this out over 7 machines, including 2 of which were Windows
> 2000. Strangely, the Windows 2000 machines were the only one to get
> the manager tool and keep them so far.

this seems very very very strange to me... usually nothing disappears if not
intentionally..
I've just installed a Virtual Machine with SSMSE only, and the setup did not
include a feature like "install for current user only", so that SSMSE is
available to all Windows account.. I even created a test limited user to log
in like, to see if perhaps SSMSE were not available for it, but it actually
is...
really no idea...

>
> As for the #3, can one use the SQL Server 2000 profiler with a SQL
> Express 2005 database? Once upon a time, with MSDE, one could do that.
you were not allowed to, if not in test and/or dev scenarios... be carefull
:D
anyway, you can not use SQL Server 2000 Client Tools against SQL Server 2005
editions....
--
Andrea Montanari (Microsoft MVP - SQL Server)
http://www.asql.biz http://italy.mvps.org
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