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Author Re: Starting PostgreSQL 8.0.4 with more memory [FreeBSD
Simon Riggs

2005-10-31, 1:23 pm

On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 09:35 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
>
>
> The real point is that RAM dedicated to shared buffers can't be used for
> anything else [1], whereas letting the kernel manage it gives you some
> flexibility (for instance, to deal with transient large memory demands
> by individual backends, or from stuff unrelated to Postgres). A system
> configured to give most of RAM to shared buffers might look good on
> sufficiently narrow test cases, but its performance will be horribly
> brittle: it will go into swap thrashing on any small provocation. The
> extra 50usec or whatever to get stuff from a kernel disk buffer instead
> of our own shared buffer is a good tradeoff to get flexibility in the
> amount of stuff actually buffered at any one instant.


Agreed. But that is an argument in favour of more easily controllable
server memory management, not a definitive argument against setting
shared_ buffers higher.

> [1] unless you are on a platform where the kernel doesn't think SysV
> shared memory should be locked in RAM. In that case, what you have is a
> large arena that is subject to being swapped out ... and a disk buffer
> that's been swapped to disk is demonstrably worse than no buffer at all.
> (Hint: count the I/Os involved, especially when the page is dirty.)


This is a disaster for any database, not just PostgreSQL. But most other
DBMS do something about this, for example on Linux, Solaris, HP/UX, AIX
a certain orange DBMS provides additional support for making shared
memory non-swappable.

Have other people used lock_sga = true in Oracle? Or do we think this is
a benchmark gimmic that should never be used in production?

We would need to issue a shmctl() with SHM_LOCK, which requires enabling
the CAP_IPC_LOCK capability.

Best Regards, Simon Riggs


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