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| Bruce Momjian 2006-02-17, 11:24 am |
| I have updated my email signature because I think it is no longer
necessary to list contact information now that my home page has all that
information. (At the time I created it, email was becoming popular but
personal web sites were rare.)
Also, I wanted to mention that I work for SRA OSS more prominently. I
hope that is OK with everyone.
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-17, 11:24 am |
| Bruce Momjian wrote:
> I have updated my email signature because I think it is no longer
> necessary to list contact information now that my home page has all that
> information. (At the time I created it, email was becoming popular but
> personal web sites were rare.)
>
> Also, I wanted to mention that I work for SRA OSS more prominently. I
> hope that is OK with everyone.
>
I can see why anyone would have a problem with this. Have you
see my signature ;)
Joshua D. Drake
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| Bruce Momjian 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
[color=darkred]
> I can see why anyone would have a problem with this. Have you
> see my signature ;)
>
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What! Can't you embed an image in there too! :-)
Anyway, thinking about it, it isn't that personal web pages weren't
popular when I created the original signature, but that the web itself
didn't exist yet, at least beyond research sites.
My first post to Usenet was May 1991:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp...f544f5
40
And the world wide web came later:
http://www.kevcom.com/words/guide/guide.04.html
How off topic can I get? :-)
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
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>
> What! Can't you embed an image in there too! :-)
You know... I can which is scary... and every single Thunderbird
and Outlook user would see it unless they turned it off ;)
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| Tom Lane 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> My first post to Usenet was May 1991:
Newbie ;-)
regards, tom lane
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>
> What! Can't you embed an image in there too! :-)
>
> Anyway, thinking about it, it isn't that personal web pages weren't
> popular when I created the original signature, but that the web itself
> didn't exist yet, at least beyond research sites.
>
> My first post to Usenet was May 1991:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp...f544f5
40
I can go back to April 1991 :)
http://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/w...-l&F=&S=&P=5347
But that was back in the UUCP days ...
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| Tom Lane 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> Tom Lane wrote:
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> OK, don't taunt us. What date do you have? :-)
Not sure, but I remember being netnews admin for CMU in '87.
(Grad student slave labor position, mind you, not prestigious.
That was before anyone cared enough about netnews to have a real
staff person take care of it...) I'd guess I first got involved
in Usenet a year or two before that. The oldest thing I can
actually document at the moment is the CMU coke-machine info I posted
in 1989, eg http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/jhb/silly/cokemachine.htm
(another slave-labor position, but at least the loaders got free
coke out of it)
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| Bruce Momjian 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
>
> Newbie ;-)
OK, don't taunt us. What date do you have? :-)
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| Tom Lane 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| I said:
> The oldest thing I can actually document at the moment
After further digging, I found something older: conclusive proof that
I was present at the invention of the smiley. I've been heard to assert
that before, but apparently someone has actually managed to unearth
archives that had been thought long gone:
http://www.authentichistory.com/doc...e
ad.html
See Scott Fahlman's post on 19-Sep-82 11:44, and note the rapidity with
which the idea spread below. I can be seen answering some unrelated
question about halfway down the page.
The CMU bboard system could legitimately be called a forerunner of
usenet, though since it didn't travel further than the CS department's
local net, it certainly wasn't the sort of community we now associate
with netnews. Or then again maybe it was --- the fact that the
department members had a need to invent such a symbol should give you
some flavor of the place.
Anyone able to beat that?
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Tom Lane wrote:
> I said:
>
> After further digging, I found something older: conclusive proof that
> I was present at the invention of the smiley. I've been heard to assert
> that before, but apparently someone has actually managed to unearth
> archives that had been thought long gone:
>
> http://www.authentichistory.com/doc...e
ad.html
>
> See Scott Fahlman's post on 19-Sep-82 11:44, and note the rapidity with
> which the idea spread below. I can be seen answering some unrelated
> question about halfway down the page.
>
> The CMU bboard system could legitimately be called a forerunner of
> usenet, though since it didn't travel further than the CS department's
> local net, it certainly wasn't the sort of community we now associate
> with netnews. Or then again maybe it was --- the fact that the
> department members had a need to invent such a symbol should give you
> some flavor of the place.
>
> Anyone able to beat that?
Sorry, I was still in Junior High in '82 :( Man, you are *old* :)
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| Michael Fuhr 2006-02-17, 8:24 pm |
| On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 09:35:32PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> Sorry, I was still in Junior High in '82 :( Man, you are *old* :)
Anybody know some reasonable postgresql.conf settings for a system
that starts up with
Cass?
Memory Size?
'cuz I still have one :-)
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| Christopher Browne 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw when tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us (Tom Lane) would write:
> I said:
>
> After further digging, I found something older: conclusive proof that
> I was present at the invention of the smiley. I've been heard to assert
> that before, but apparently someone has actually managed to unearth
> archives that had been thought long gone:
>
> http://www.authentichistory.com/doc...e
ad.html
>
> See Scott Fahlman's post on 19-Sep-82 11:44, and note the rapidity with
> which the idea spread below. I can be seen answering some unrelated
> question about halfway down the page.
>
> The CMU bboard system could legitimately be called a forerunner of
> usenet, though since it didn't travel further than the CS department's
> local net, it certainly wasn't the sort of community we now associate
> with netnews. Or then again maybe it was --- the fact that the
> department members had a need to invent such a symbol should give you
> some flavor of the place.
>
> Anyone able to beat that?
Crud, I was hoping that my posts listed on Google from July 1986 would
beat the 1987 dates you mentioned, but evidently not :-(.
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Michael Fuhr wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 09:35:32PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> Anybody know some reasonable postgresql.conf settings for a system
> that starts up with
>
> Cass?
> Memory Size?
>
> 'cuz I still have one :-)
I have a PDP-II/360 sitting in a storage locker right now that one of
these days I'm going to re-wire and find platters for :) rats got at the
wires *sigh*
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
|
>
> Sorry, I was still in Junior High in '82 :( Man, you are *old* :)
>
At Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
Joshua D. Drake
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
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>
> Sorry, I was still in Junior High in '82 :( Man, you are *old* :)
>
And Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
Joshua D. Drake
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| Jonah H. Harris 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| /me was 1 year old in 1982
On 2/17/06, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
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>
>
> And Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
>
> Joshua D. Drake
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>
> At Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
damn, now *I* feel old :)
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| Oleg Bartunov 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>
> damn, now *I* feel old :)
don't feel upset, that time I already learned how to control missile :)
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| Andrej Ricnik-Bay 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
| > don't feel upset, that time I already learned how to control missile :)
Just curious ... how old does one need to be to be allowed
that? :) I was of "legal drinking age" then, btw ..
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| Dave Page 2006-02-18, 3:23 am |
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-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-hackers-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Joshua D. Drake
Sent: Sat 2/18/2006 4:09 AM
To: Marc G. Fournier
Cc: Tom Lane; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL-development
Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Updated email signature
>
> Sorry, I was still in Junior High in '82 :( Man, you are *old* :)
>
>
> At Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
So was I. Back on the point though, despite previous denials I'm starting to get my suspicions about Tom being part of the legendary Usenet Cabal again - especially with this new admission of being the news admin at CMU in the mid 80's...
Ooh, is that a black helicop...
/D
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| Tino Wildenhain 2006-02-18, 7:23 am |
| Joshua D. Drake schrieb:
>
>
> At Marc hands himself a foot gun... I was 9 years old in 82.
cool. You too? :-) 1973 must have been a great year .-)
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| Andrew Dunstan 2006-02-18, 7:23 am |
| Jonah H. Harris said:
> /me was 1 year old in 1982
>
my *son* (whose name is Tom btw ;-) ) was 3 yrs old in '82 ...
:-)
As for the "first used Usenet" thing, I am fairly sure I used it or
something very like it during "The VAX years", probably around '87. The
earliest record I can find is '91 though. Tom sure beats me - in '82 I had
not the slightest clue about computing other than using a mainframe app.
cheers
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| Lamar Owen 2006-02-18, 9:23 am |
| On Friday 17 February 2006 20:44, Michael Fuhr wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2006 at 09:35:32PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
> Anybody know some reasonable postgresql.conf settings for a system
> that starts up with
>
> Cass?
> Memory Size?
>
> 'cuz I still have one :-)
And running xtrs, anyone can have one.
I go (TRS-80-wise) a little earlier than that, as my first documented Usenet
post asserts:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....1a33a1
92
Prior to that I did some FIDO with a TRS-80 odel 16B under Xenix System III.
In 1982 I was doing hexadecimal machine code on that TRS-80 Model III, whose
non-disk boot lines you quote. My favorite Z80 joke:
01FFFF
110100
210000
EDB0
(Punchline: one-track mind.)
PostgreSQL in 48K? Ouch. What's wild is that the level-1 cache on my current
processor is larger than that...
So, as to Usenet, earliest documented date is May 1992. Ran a leaf node with
Waffle for a while, then an AT&T 3B1 later, running C News and SMail.
So, Tom, did you enjoy being linked with the Backbone Cabal? What part did
you play in the Great Renaming?
Man, this is totally off-topic, but a fun distraction...
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| Michael Fuhr 2006-02-18, 11:23 am |
| On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:28:58AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
> In 1982 I was doing hexadecimal machine code on that TRS-80 Model III, whose
> non-disk boot lines you quote. My favorite Z80 joke:
> 01FFFF
> 110100
> 210000
> EDB0
> (Punchline: one-track mind.)
Heh heh :-) Did plenty of that, though usually on 3C00-3FFF.
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| Lamar Owen 2006-02-18, 1:23 pm |
| On Saturday 18 February 2006 12:16, Michael Fuhr wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 09:28:58AM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> Heh heh :-) Did plenty of that, though usually on 3C00-3FFF.
Most efficient way to bitblit on the TRS-80....although using the six pixel
character cell graphics was, to say the least, _interesting_.
I did a LIFE on the TRS-80 complete with a full screen graphical editor in 512
bytes. No assembly required; I may have the DEBUG listing around
somewhere...time to pull out the catweasel.
Ok, too off-topic. Sorry....last on-list post from me on that branch of the
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| Tom Lane 2006-02-18, 1:23 pm |
| Lamar Owen <lowen@pari.edu> writes:
> So, Tom, did you enjoy being linked with the Backbone Cabal? What part did
> you play in the Great Renaming?
CMU was never part of the Usenet backbone, really. The backbone was the
sites that did the bulk of the work in passing news to places that had
to get it via dialup --- we're talking modems and long-distance calls
here. (A lot of the backbone sites actually belonged to Bell Labs and
similar institutions that got their phone service for free ;-)) AFAIR
CMU did all its news-passing across the internet and predecessors
thereof, which meant that we only exchanged news directly with a few
other places similarly fortunate to be on the net. The current
environment where everybody and his dog has an IP address didn't start
to happen till years later, as I'm sure you recall. So I was never in
a position of being able to determine what news other sites could or
couldn't get, which was pretty much the defining property of the Cabal.
As for the Great Renaming, yup, I remember that --- I think the fallout
was still falling at the time I took over the newsadmin chores. (It
might be that the previous holder of the post resigned because he was
burned out due to that mess, but this is speculation not memory.)
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| Larry Rosenman 2006-02-18, 8:23 pm |
| Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
>
> damn, now *I* feel old :)
>
I *GRADUATED* High School in 1975.
Started posting on UseNet in 1988.
LER
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-18, 8:23 pm |
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> I *GRADUATED* High School in 1975.
>
Can you still walk without a cane?
/me laughs as Larry chases after him with his cane, swearing about
whipper snappers.
> Started posting on UseNet in 1988.
>
> LER
>
>
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| Larry Rosenman 2006-02-18, 8:23 pm |
| Joshua D. Drake wrote:[color=darkred
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> Can you still walk without a cane?
>
> /me laughs as Larry chases after him with his cane, swearing about
> whipper snappers.
>
Quite well, thank you.
LER
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-19, 3:23 am |
| On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Lamar Owen wrote:
> So, as to Usenet, earliest documented date is May 1992. Ran a leaf node
> with Waffle for a while, then an AT&T 3B1 later, running C News and
> SMail.
The skypod.UUCP email that I posted earlier was on a friends 3B2 machine
.... my first Unix account :)
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-19, 3:23 am |
| On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
>
>
> don't feel upset, that time I already learned how to control missile :)
Ack, you were one of those in the missile silo's?? Definitely not a job
I'd envy anyone :(
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| Joshua D. Drake 2006-02-19, 3:23 am |
|
>
> Ack, you were one of those in the missile silo's?? Definitely not a
> job I'd envy anyone :(
I doubt that if her were still doing it, that he would be allowed to
tell us ;)
Joshua D. Drake
>
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| Oleg Bartunov 2006-02-19, 3:24 am |
| On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
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> Ack, you were one of those in the missile silo's?? Definitely not a job I'd
> envy anyone :(
that time it was obligatory for students of our depratment (of physics).
Actually, I took part in war games during Moscow Olympiad.
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Regards,
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| Oleg Bartunov 2006-02-19, 3:24 am |
| On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
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> I doubt that if her were still doing it, that he would be allowed to tell us
> ;)
Studiying was obligatory, but that helps people to avoid an army. I luckily
missed Afghanistan :) I'm absolutely civilian astronomer.
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> Joshua D. Drake
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Oleg
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| Tom Dunstan 2006-02-20, 11:24 am |
| Andrew Dunstan wrote:
> my *son* (whose name is Tom btw ;-) ) was 3 yrs old in '82 ...
So, as you were responsible for me at the time, the fact that *I* don't
have any usenet posts back that far is clearly your fault.
:)
Tom
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| Michael Glaesemann 2006-02-20, 8:24 pm |
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On Feb 20, 2006, at 0:41 , Tom Dunstan wrote:
> Andrew Dunstan wrote:
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> So, as you were responsible for me at the time, the fact that *I*
> don't have any usenet posts back that far is clearly your fault.
My goodness. When I first saw the poster of this message, I thought
someone had created some kind of unholy Frankensteinian chimera of
Tom Lane and Andrew Dunstan...
Would be a great asset to PostgreSQL though. :P
Nice to make your acquaintance, Tom!
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| Marc G. Fournier 2006-02-25, 9:48 am |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Michael Glaesemann wrote:
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> On Feb 20, 2006, at 0:41 , Tom Dunstan wrote:
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> My goodness. When I first saw the poster of this message, I thought someone
> had created some kind of unholy Frankensteinian chimera of Tom Lane and
> Andrew Dunstan...
Ack, I did too ... sorry TomD, and welcome :)
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| Jim C. Nasby 2006-02-25, 9:48 am |
| On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 11:26:47PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Michael Glaesemann wrote:
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> Ack, I did too ... sorry TomD, and welcome :)
Hmm... so would Tom D be the first 'legacy' in the community? :)
"No sweat. My brother Fred was a Delta. That makes me a legacy. They
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