ASE Database forum - Tools market for ASE

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Tools market for ASE

Frank Rizzo

2005-09-26, 8:25 pm

Is there an existing tools market for ASE? I look around and can't find
the variety that I see for other RDBMSes. Like a good SQL tool or a
sproc debugger and so forth...

Regards

Eugene Korolkov

2005-09-26, 8:25 pm

Frank,

Take a look on www.embarcadero.com, www.castsoftware.com

HTH,
Eugene

Frank Rizzo wrote:

> Is there an existing tools market for ASE? I look around and can't
> find the variety that I see for other RDBMSes. Like a good SQL tool
> or a sproc debugger and so forth...
>
> Regards

www.embarcadero.com

Rob Verschoor

2005-09-26, 8:25 pm

"Frank Rizzo" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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> Is there an existing tools market for ASE? I look around and can't find
> the variety that I see for other RDBMSes. Like a good SQL tool or a
> sproc debugger and so forth...
>
> Regards

Sybase is soon releasing a new product called 'WorkSpace' which -among many
other things- features an integrated stored proc debugger for ASE. Check out
http://www.sybase.com/products/ dev.../> on/workspace .

HTH,

Rob
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Rob Verschoor

Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.5/12.0/11.5/11.0
and Replication Server 12.5 / TeamSybase

Author of Sybase books (order online at www.sypron.nl/shop):
"Tips, Tricks & Recipes for Sybase ASE"
"The Complete Sybase Replication Server Quick Reference Guide"
"The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"

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Frank Rizzo

2005-09-26, 8:25 pm

Eugene Korolkov wrote:
> Frank,
>
> Take a look on www.embarcadero.com, www.castsoftware.com

That's kind of slim pickings. Is there a market for Sybase tools to
begin with? Do people want tools, but the tool makers are just not
making them?

>
> HTH,
> Eugene
>
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>
>
> www.embarcadero.com
>

Andrew Schonberger

2005-10-27, 8:21 am

I had enough of having to ask for an Emabarcadero license every time I
moved to another machine. In an idle moment, I started to write my own
interactive Sql execution facility, using Dot Net Windows Forms. After
a long weekend, it works already, but I have to add a few modules for
setting configurations and saving results. My emphasys was on producing
accurate output, with analysis of columns, and separate grids for result
sets. I stayed compatible with the GO syntax. I probably have to wait
for anothe holiday to get the whole thing off the ground.

I never intended to commercialise this, and should be best promoted as a
community initiative. Come to think about it: the Sybase platform
survives mostly by the mindshare invested in people like us - developers
and DBAs. The only trouble is that I'm using the Ase.Net driver, which
is not free.

Andrew

Rob Verschoor wrote:

>"Frank Rizzo" <none@none.net> wrote in message
> news:433850fd$1@foru
ms-2-dub...
>
>
>
>Sybase is soon releasing a new product called 'WorkSpace' which -among many
>other things- features an integrated stored proc debugger for ASE. Check out
>http://www.sybase.com/products/ dev.../> on/workspace .
>
>HTH,
>
>Rob
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Rob Verschoor
>
>Certified Sybase Professional DBA for ASE 12.5/12.0/11.5/11.0
>and Replication Server 12.5 / TeamSybase
>
>Author of Sybase books (order online at www.sypron.nl/shop):
>"Tips, Tricks & Recipes for Sybase ASE"
>"The Complete Sybase Replication Server Quick Reference Guide"
>"The Complete Sybase ASE Quick Reference Guide"
>
>mailto:rob@YOUR.SPAM.sypron.nl.NOT.FOR.ME
>http://www.sypron.nl
>Sypron B.V., P.O.Box 10695, 2501HR Den Haag, The Netherlands
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>

Andrew Schonberger

2005-10-27, 8:21 am

Frank Rizzo

2005-10-27, 8:21 am

Andrew Schonberger wrote:
> I had enough of having to ask for an Emabarcadero license every time I
> moved to another machine. In an idle moment, I started to write my own
> interactive Sql execution facility, using Dot Net Windows Forms. After
> a long weekend, it works already, but I have to add a few modules for
> setting configurations and saving results. My emphasys was on producing
> accurate output, with analysis of columns, and separate grids for result
> sets. I stayed compatible with the GO syntax. I probably have to wait
> for anothe holiday to get the whole thing off the ground.
>
> I never intended to commercialise this, and should be best promoted as a
> community initiative. Come to think about it: the Sybase platform
> survives mostly by the mindshare invested in people like us - developers
> and DBAs. The only trouble is that I'm using the Ase.Net driver, which
> is not free.

Andrew,

Do you have a URL for your project? In addition, you could probably use
the free .NET sybase driver developed by the Mono project.

Regards

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> Andrew
>
> Rob Verschoor wrote:
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Andrew Schonberger

2005-10-27, 8:21 am

Frank,

I don't have an URL, at least not for this project. My tool works as
two-tier client-server. Generally speaking, I find the batch and Windows
features of Dot Net extremely robust, predictable, clean and modular.
On contrast, Asp.Net carries a lot of baggage from old Asp, is full of
assumptions and irregularities. For this reason, I would not do a
web-based Sybase tool. Besides, it would make little sense to have a
depencency on the Microsoft Internet Server IIS, only to access a Sybase
backend.

Thanks for pointing me to the Mono driver. I checked
http://www.mono-project.com/Sybase and it appears I need to install the
full Mono pakcage, even if I only need that single driver. I'm just
worried it would interfere with my current Dot.Net. Otherwise, the
limitations listed for their driver won't affect my project, and I'll
try my hand with it. This would remove a dependency on a commercial
product. But Mono, by their own admission, is a far way from making a
Windows application to run unchanged under Linux or Solaris.

Andrew

Frank Rizzo wrote:
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> Andrew Schonberger wrote:
>
>
>
> Andrew,
>
> Do you have a URL for your project? In addition, you could probably
> use the free .NET sybase driver developed by the Mono project.
>
> Regards
>
>

Frank Rizzo

2005-10-27, 8:21 am

Andrew Schonberger wrote:
> Frank,
>
> I don't have an URL, at least not for this project. My tool works as
> two-tier client-server. Generally speaking, I find the batch and Windows
> features of Dot Net extremely robust, predictable, clean and modular.
> On contrast, Asp.Net carries a lot of baggage from old Asp, is full of
> assumptions and irregularities. For this reason, I would not do a
> web-based Sybase tool. Besides, it would make little sense to have a
> depencency on the Microsoft Internet Server IIS, only to access a Sybase
> backend.
>
> Thanks for pointing me to the Mono driver. I checked
> http://www.mono-project.com/Sybase and it appears I need to install the
> full Mono pakcage, even if I only need that single driver. I'm just
> worried it would interfere with my current Dot.Net. Otherwise, the
> limitations listed for their driver won't affect my project, and I'll
> try my hand with it. This would remove a dependency on a commercial
> product. But Mono, by their own admission, is a far way from making a
> Windows application to run unchanged under Linux or Solaris.

No, no, no. Just download the source code for their sybase driver. And
compile that as you would compile any .NET source code. It isn't
dependent upon Mono. The only dependency, afaik, is the
Mono.Data.Tds.dll, which you can download and compile as well. I don't
know how well it works.

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> Andrew
>
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
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