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| David Velazco 2005-11-29, 8:25 pm |
| Hello everybody
I have PB10.2, EAServer 5.2 and IIS 6 my question is the following: how can
I show a datawindow on web with EAServer and IIS, is there any documentation
which explains step by step how to do it?. Does anyone know about the
subject?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards,
David Velazco
System Engineer
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| Chris Pollach 2005-11-30, 7:24 am |
| David;
I have a small demo application I just built. This uses ASP and ASP.Net
in IIs to communicate to EAServer PowerBuilder objects that access the ASA
Demo database. Drop me a line if you would like me to send you a copy.
Note: The entire application is written and deployed to IIs and EAServer
from a PB 10.2.1 workspace and multiple targets.
Regards ... Chris
"David Velazco" <da_velazco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:438cc7e4@forums
-1-dub...
> Hello everybody
>
> I have PB10.2, EAServer 5.2 and IIS 6 my question is the following: how
can
> I show a datawindow on web with EAServer and IIS, is there any
documentation
> which explains step by step how to do it?. Does anyone know about the
> subject?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best regards,
> David Velazco
> System Engineer
>
>
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| Dean Jones 2005-11-30, 9:24 am |
| There are many ways to do this.
You need to make some decision. Do you want to use PB components? If yes you
can call the PB component straight from IIS or you can have IIS direct all
requests to EAS. You can also have a PB OLE object called directly from IIS
and not even use EAS. EAS offers a lot of great features. So it might be a
good idea to put your business logic in EAS and then access the business
logic from you client interface (web page, Pocket PC or PB Client). I
personally like to use JSP to build web pages. If you do this you would have
IIS redirect all requests to EAS.
--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
Certified PowerBuilder Developer
www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112
"David Velazco" <da_velazco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:438cc7e4@forums
-1-dub...
> Hello everybody
>
> I have PB10.2, EAServer 5.2 and IIS 6 my question is the following: how
> can
> I show a datawindow on web with EAServer and IIS, is there any
> documentation
> which explains step by step how to do it?. Does anyone know about the
> subject?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best regards,
> David Velazco
> System Engineer
>
>
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| Chris Pollach 2005-11-30, 11:24 am |
| Dean;
The whole reason though to go directly to EAS using IIOP from ASP is to
bypass the overhead of the JSP + JVM processing overhead (which sucks
[excuse my French] in EAS). Also, ASP.Net's scripting is now far superior
to JSP and Ancestor web pages .. well now that would be the "cat's meow" for
me!
My $0.02 worth.
Chris
"Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
news:438dbb13@forums
-1-dub...
> There are many ways to do this.
>
> You need to make some decision. Do you want to use PB components? If yes
you
> can call the PB component straight from IIS or you can have IIS direct all
> requests to EAS. You can also have a PB OLE object called directly from
IIS
> and not even use EAS. EAS offers a lot of great features. So it might be a
> good idea to put your business logic in EAS and then access the business
> logic from you client interface (web page, Pocket PC or PB Client). I
> personally like to use JSP to build web pages. If you do this you would
have
> IIS redirect all requests to EAS.
>
> --
> Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
> CEO
> Certified PowerBuilder Developer
> www.powerobjects.com
> (612) 339-3355 ext 112
>
>
> "David Velazco" <da_velazco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:438cc7e4@forums
-1-dub...
>
>
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| Jonathan Baker [Sybase] 2005-11-30, 1:24 pm |
| JSP + JVM processing overhead? As compared to what, exactly? ASP
rendering engine? You lost me here...
Jonathan
Chris Pollach wrote:
> Dean;
>
> The whole reason though to go directly to EAS using IIOP from ASP is to
> bypass the overhead of the JSP + JVM processing overhead (which sucks
> [excuse my French] in EAS). Also, ASP.Net's scripting is now far superior
> to JSP and Ancestor web pages .. well now that would be the "cat's meow" for
> me!
>
> My $0.02 worth.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:438dbb13@forums
-1-dub...
> you
> IIS
> have
>
>
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| Dean Jones 2005-11-30, 1:24 pm |
| I know you have had some success with ASP to EAServer, but I have seen it
fail under a load in the past. I like JSP it's fast and its easy. Some
companies have IIS out side the firewall and you can easily add eas plugin
to redirect to eas when needed.
I don't know if one is better then the other. PowerObjects has done many,
many distributed projects, ASP, ASP.NET calling PB OLE components, calling
IIOP EAS components, web application under tomcat, web applications under
eas, web applications under websphere etc. There is no one way to build a
distributed application. Every project needs to look at skills, talents,
approved software etc.
--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
Certified PowerBuilder Developer
www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112
"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
news:438dcdd5@forums
-1-dub...
> Dean;
>
> The whole reason though to go directly to EAS using IIOP from ASP is to
> bypass the overhead of the JSP + JVM processing overhead (which sucks
> [excuse my French] in EAS). Also, ASP.Net's scripting is now far superior
> to JSP and Ancestor web pages .. well now that would be the "cat's meow"
> for
> me!
>
> My $0.02 worth.
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:438dbb13@forums
-1-dub...
> you
> IIS
> have
>
>
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| Chris Pollach 2005-11-30, 8:25 pm |
|
Yepper's!
"Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
message news:438de230@forums
-1-dub...[color=darkred]
> JSP + JVM processing overhead? As compared to what, exactly? ASP
> rendering engine? You lost me here...
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
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| Chris Pollach 2005-11-30, 8:25 pm |
|
Good points .. all I am saying is that if you are a new web site and going
IIs you might as well go all the way. No sense learning JSP and Java Applets
with EAServer if you go with the redirector route.
"Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
news:438deea8$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
> I know you have had some success with ASP to EAServer, but I have seen it
> fail under a load in the past. I like JSP it's fast and its easy. Some
> companies have IIS out side the firewall and you can easily add eas plugin
> to redirect to eas when needed.
>
> I don't know if one is better then the other. PowerObjects has done many,
> many distributed projects, ASP, ASP.NET calling PB OLE components, calling
> IIOP EAS components, web application under tomcat, web applications under
> eas, web applications under websphere etc. There is no one way to build a
> distributed application. Every project needs to look at skills, talents,
> approved software etc.
>
> --
> Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
> CEO
> Certified PowerBuilder Developer
> www.powerobjects.com
> (612) 339-3355 ext 112
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:438dcdd5@forums
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| Jonathan Baker [Sybase] 2005-11-30, 8:25 pm |
| Got any hard data to prove it?
Chris Pollach wrote:
> Yepper's!
>
>
> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
> message news:438de230@forums
-1-dub...
> to
> superior
> for
> yes
> all
> be a
> business
> how
>
>
| |
| Jonathan Baker [Sybase] 2005-11-30, 8:25 pm |
| Actually what Chris is saying (if you read between the lines is):
"I'm paid by Microsoft to promote all of their products. Under
contract, I must always hate Java. Hate hate hate. MS says so."
And no, he is not a Borg. Yet. ;-)
Jonathan
PS. I'm just kidding, Chris. FYI
Chris Pollach wrote:
> Good points .. all I am saying is that if you are a new web site and going
> IIs you might as well go all the way. No sense learning JSP and Java Applets
> with EAServer if you go with the redirector route.
>
>
> "Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:438deea8$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
> to
> superior
> yes
>
> be
> business
> how
>
>
| |
| Mark Maslow 2005-11-30, 8:25 pm |
| Would be interesting to see hard data. However, given the nature of
most if not all of the benchmark comparisons out there, they always seem
to be pretty subjective. Everything depends on hardware, other
software, what the app is doing, and what exactly you're measuring.
Also, JSP is merely a view technology. If you properly separate out the
various layers, it's easy to swap in another view technology. Velocity,
Tapestry and Facelets (for JSF) are just a few alternatives, all of
which have their strengths and weaknesses. ASP may have good scripting
features (I couldn't say), but I would not want to write a serious web
app with only a scripting language.
Since my experience is mostly with data-intensive applications, I've yet
to run across a situation in which the JVM or processor is the
bottleneck. Those things are orders of magnitude greater faster than DB
access. And it's easy to just add more app servers until you bring the
DB server to its knees.
In article <438e1e1c@forums-1-dub>, last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com
says...[color=darkred]
> Got any hard data to prove it?
>
>
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
| |
| Chris Pollach 2005-12-01, 7:24 am |
|
Yes I do .... but no, I can not share it with you as this information
belongs to some of my government clientele. Releasing any information to the
public is a pain in the *U%@ as the government requires may levels of
signatures to do this (you guys in Washington understand). Then in Canada,
it has to be translated into French as well ... another 6 month wait (I kid
you not).
"Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
message news:438e1e1c@forums
-1-dub...[color=darkred]
> Got any hard data to prove it?
>
>
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
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| Chris Pollach 2005-12-01, 7:24 am |
| Jonathan;
I admit it when it comes to J2EE vs. .NET and JSP vs. ASP ... I have been
assimilated :) !
But remember, In 1998-2000 I used to teach Java and JSP. I resisted
moving to ASP in 2001, but most of my clients are going that way (over 65%
of all Canadian Departments this year!!!) - so I adapted. Now that I have
used ASP, ASP.Net and now some .NET 2.0 - I would never go back.
Sorry, but the truth hurts. If JSP and Java were superior I would be the
first one at the top of these forums saying so. But now after implementing a
dozen or so ASP web sites (some with EAServer) ... I strongly believe it is
the wave to catch (Aloha)!
Chris
"Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
message news:438e1eb6$1@foru
ms-1-dub...[color=darkred]
> Actually what Chris is saying (if you read between the lines is):
>
> "I'm paid by Microsoft to promote all of their products. Under
> contract, I must always hate Java. Hate hate hate. MS says so."
>
> And no, he is not a Borg. Yet. ;-)
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> PS. I'm just kidding, Chris. FYI
>
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
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| Dean Jones 2005-12-01, 9:24 am |
| I have developed web applications in ASP, ASP.NET, JSP and PHP. I think JSP
is the best....
Seems to be an opinion not a fact.
--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
Certified PowerBuilder Developer
www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112
"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
news:438eef9f$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
> Jonathan;
>
> I admit it when it comes to J2EE vs. .NET and JSP vs. ASP ... I have been
> assimilated :) !
>
> But remember, In 1998-2000 I used to teach Java and JSP. I resisted
> moving to ASP in 2001, but most of my clients are going that way (over 65%
> of all Canadian Departments this year!!!) - so I adapted. Now that I have
> used ASP, ASP.Net and now some .NET 2.0 - I would never go back.
>
> Sorry, but the truth hurts. If JSP and Java were superior I would be
> the
> first one at the top of these forums saying so. But now after implementing
> a
> dozen or so ASP web sites (some with EAServer) ... I strongly believe it
> is
> the wave to catch (Aloha)!
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
> message news:438e1eb6$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
> going
> Applets
> it
> plugin
> many,
> calling
> under
> a
> talents,
> is
> meow"
> direct
> from
> would
> the
>
>
| |
| Chris Pollach 2005-12-01, 1:24 pm |
|
They can both deliver the end result (what the user wants) in the browser.
All I am saying is that ASP.Net is easier to code and most of my clientele
are moving in that direction. So as a consultant .. so am I!
"Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
news:438f0d82$1@foru
ms-2-dub...
> I have developed web applications in ASP, ASP.NET, JSP and PHP. I think
JSP
> is the best....
>
> Seems to be an opinion not a fact.
>
> --
> Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
> CEO
> Certified PowerBuilder Developer
> www.powerobjects.com
> (612) 339-3355 ext 112
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:438eef9f$1@foru
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| Carson Hager 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| I have to say that I am a big fan of the simplicity of coding ASP.NET
applications and I love VS.NET. The problem that I have with it is that
ASP.NET is primitive in comparison to J2EE web applications. As an example,
I'm a huge fan of what you can do with Filters and I've never seen anything
like that in the ASP.NET world. For me, ASP.NET is fantastic for beginners
and run of the mill web apps. For most applications it's more than
adequate. For anything more, it gets ugly. In a perfect world I could have
ASP.NET style code behind with the richness of the features of J2EE web
apps. It's possible that the next version of ASP.NET has similar
capabilities. I frankly don't know. I've dedicated myself to technologies
that are a step ( or two ) beyond that of traditional web applications.
Frankly, I hate the web.
Carson
____________________
____________________
____
Carson Hager
Cynergy Systems, Inc.
http://www.cynergysystems.com
Email: carson. hager@cynergysystems
.com
Office: 866-CYNERGY
Mobile: 1.703.489.6466
Take PowerBuilder to the Web with EAF 4.0
http://www.cynergysystems.com/public/products/eaf
"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
news:438f4ddd$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
>
> They can both deliver the end result (what the user wants) in the browser.
> All I am saying is that ASP.Net is easier to code and most of my clientele
> are moving in that direction. So as a consultant .. so am I!
>
> "Dean Jones" < dean_dot_jones_at_po
werobjects_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:438f0d82$1@foru
ms-2-dub...
> JSP
> been
> 65%
> have
> implementing
> message
> seen
> Some
> ASP
> sucks
> If
> Client).
> following:
>
>
| |
| Chris Pollach 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
|
For sure ... "Web" = = "Two steps backward" vs C/S.
However, WebForm applications in ASP.Net will change that!
"Carson Hager" <carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com> wrote in message
news:438f504f$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
> I have to say that I am a big fan of the simplicity of coding ASP.NET
> applications and I love VS.NET. The problem that I have with it is that
> ASP.NET is primitive in comparison to J2EE web applications. As an
example,
> I'm a huge fan of what you can do with Filters and I've never seen
anything
> like that in the ASP.NET world. For me, ASP.NET is fantastic for beginners
> and run of the mill web apps. For most applications it's more than
> adequate. For anything more, it gets ugly. In a perfect world I could
have
> ASP.NET style code behind with the richness of the features of J2EE web
> apps. It's possible that the next version of ASP.NET has similar
> capabilities. I frankly don't know. I've dedicated myself to technologies
> that are a step ( or two ) beyond that of traditional web applications.
> Frankly, I hate the web.
>
>
> Carson
>
> ____________________
____________________
____
>
> Carson Hager
> Cynergy Systems, Inc.
> http://www.cynergysystems.com
>
> Email: carson. hager@cynergysystems
.com
> Office: 866-CYNERGY
> Mobile: 1.703.489.6466
>
> Take PowerBuilder to the Web with EAF 4.0
> http://www.cynergysystems.com/public/products/eaf
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:438f4ddd$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
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| |
| Mark Maslow 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| In article <438f504f$1@forums-1-dub>,
carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com says...
In a perfect world I could have ASP.NET style code behind with the
richness of the features of J2EE web apps.
JSF gets you at least some of the way there, although it's still kind of
raw. But extremely powerful and highly extensible. I've been using it
quite successfully for my latest project. My main gripe is that the
current version doesn't play so well with the current version of JSP.
Next version is supposed to address that. But I suspect I'll swap out
the JSP renderer for the Facelets renderer for my next project, and may
not need to look back.
carson says...
I've dedicated myself to technologies that are a step ( or two ) beyond
that of traditional web applications. Frankly, I hate the web.
Yeah, well, ya gotta deal with reality - especially for public-facing
stuff. I noticed that your website is now all Flash. Pretty cool stuff
for highly interactive apps, but I frankly think it's inappropriate for
just presenting summary information and press releases. Why load Flash
just to get your contact info or see who Carson Hagar is? And then
again if I stupidly hit the back button. There are some things the web
actually does pretty well.
Oh well - each to his own. Unlike some people who like to post on these
forums, I think having choices is a good thing.
[color=darkred]
>
>
> Carson
>
> ____________________
____________________
____
>
> Carson Hager
> Cynergy Systems, Inc.
> http://www.cynergysystems.com
>
> Email: carson. hager@cynergysystems
.com
> Office: 866-CYNERGY
> Mobile: 1.703.489.6466
>
> Take PowerBuilder to the Web with EAF 4.0
> http://www.cynergysystems.com/public/products/eaf
>
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.dot.com> wrote in message
> news:438f4ddd$1@foru
ms-1-dub...
| |
| Dean Jones 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| I agree.
--
Dean Jones [TeamSybase]
CEO
Certified PowerBuilder Developer
www.powerobjects.com
(612) 339-3355 ext 112
"Mark Maslow" <NOmark.maslow@sierraclub.orgSPAM> wrote in message
news:MPG. 1df9024363ddbf779896
9a@forums.sybase.com...[color=darkred]
> In article <438f504f$1@forums-1-dub>,
> carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com says...
>
> In a perfect world I could have ASP.NET style code behind with the
> richness of the features of J2EE web apps.
>
>
> JSF gets you at least some of the way there, although it's still kind of
> raw. But extremely powerful and highly extensible. I've been using it
> quite successfully for my latest project. My main gripe is that the
> current version doesn't play so well with the current version of JSP.
> Next version is supposed to address that. But I suspect I'll swap out
> the JSP renderer for the Facelets renderer for my next project, and may
> not need to look back.
>
>
> carson says...
>
> I've dedicated myself to technologies that are a step ( or two ) beyond
> that of traditional web applications. Frankly, I hate the web.
>
>
> Yeah, well, ya gotta deal with reality - especially for public-facing
> stuff. I noticed that your website is now all Flash. Pretty cool stuff
> for highly interactive apps, but I frankly think it's inappropriate for
> just presenting summary information and press releases. Why load Flash
> just to get your contact info or see who Carson Hagar is? And then
> again if I stupidly hit the back button. There are some things the web
> actually does pretty well.
>
> Oh well - each to his own. Unlike some people who like to post on these
> forums, I think having choices is a good thing.
>
>
| |
| Jonathan Baker [Sybase] 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| Yes, and no. In DC they will let us publish benchmark data, as long as
it doesn't interfere with internal security or give away anything
classified. It's not difficult to pass data through the screening
process to get it cleared for external consumption.
Jonathan
Chris Pollach wrote:
> Yes I do .... but no, I can not share it with you as this information
> belongs to some of my government clientele. Releasing any information to the
> public is a pain in the *U%@ as the government requires may levels of
> signatures to do this (you guys in Washington understand). Then in Canada,
> it has to be translated into French as well ... another 6 month wait (I kid
> you not).
>
>
>
> "Jonathan Baker [Sybase]" < last_name_first_init
ial@sybase.com> wrote in
> message news:438e1e1c@forums
-1-dub...
> is
> meow"
> direct
> from
> would
> the
>
>
| |
| Carson Hager 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| Yeah our web site is one of those "eating your own dog food" things. We've
become large players in the Macromedia Flex space and are primarily
interested in RIAs going forward. We went back and forth on the use of
Flex/Flash on our site and, in the end, decided it was the right choice.
The Flex/Flash platform has become amazingly rich for applications as well
as customer facing "sites". For me, the two most compelling aspects of this
development are richness and productivity. Flex applications are
unparalleled in UI richness and I guarantee you that I can develop a Flex
data application with a much more rich UI than a traditional web app in a
fraction of the time. As for the back button, we simply haven't integrated
the history manager yet. :)
Carson
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Carson Hager
Cynergy Systems, Inc.
http://www.cynergysystems.com
Email: carson. hager@cynergysystems
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Office: 866-CYNERGY
Mobile: 1.703.489.6466
Take PowerBuilder to the Web with EAF 4.0
http://www.cynergysystems.com/public/products/eaf
"Mark Maslow" <NOmark.maslow@sierraclub.orgSPAM> wrote in message
news:MPG. 1df9024363ddbf779896
9a@forums.sybase.com...[color=darkred]
> In article <438f504f$1@forums-1-dub>,
> carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com says...
>
> In a perfect world I could have ASP.NET style code behind with the
> richness of the features of J2EE web apps.
>
>
> JSF gets you at least some of the way there, although it's still kind of
> raw. But extremely powerful and highly extensible. I've been using it
> quite successfully for my latest project. My main gripe is that the
> current version doesn't play so well with the current version of JSP.
> Next version is supposed to address that. But I suspect I'll swap out
> the JSP renderer for the Facelets renderer for my next project, and may
> not need to look back.
>
>
> carson says...
>
> I've dedicated myself to technologies that are a step ( or two ) beyond
> that of traditional web applications. Frankly, I hate the web.
>
>
> Yeah, well, ya gotta deal with reality - especially for public-facing
> stuff. I noticed that your website is now all Flash. Pretty cool stuff
> for highly interactive apps, but I frankly think it's inappropriate for
> just presenting summary information and press releases. Why load Flash
> just to get your contact info or see who Carson Hagar is? And then
> again if I stupidly hit the back button. There are some things the web
> actually does pretty well.
>
> Oh well - each to his own. Unlike some people who like to post on these
> forums, I think having choices is a good thing.
>
>
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| Mark Maslow 2005-12-01, 8:25 pm |
| Speaking of RIAs and Flash - IBM has done some interesting work creating
a JSF custom tag library that renders JSF components using Laszlo.
http://dl.alphaworks.ibm.com/techno...ces4laszlo_whit
epaper.pdf
In article <438f70e1$1@forums-1-dub>,
carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com says...[color=darkred]
> Yeah our web site is one of those "eating your own dog food" things. We've
> become large players in the Macromedia Flex space and are primarily
> interested in RIAs going forward. We went back and forth on the use of
> Flex/Flash on our site and, in the end, decided it was the right choice.
> The Flex/Flash platform has become amazingly rich for applications as well
> as customer facing "sites". For me, the two most compelling aspects of this
> development are richness and productivity. Flex applications are
> unparalleled in UI richness and I guarantee you that I can develop a Flex
> data application with a much more rich UI than a traditional web app in a
> fraction of the time. As for the back button, we simply haven't integrated
> the history manager yet. :)
>
>
> Carson
>
> ____________________
____________________
____
>
> Carson Hager
> Cynergy Systems, Inc.
> http://www.cynergysystems.com
>
> Email: carson. hager@cynergysystems
.com
> Office: 866-CYNERGY
> Mobile: 1.703.489.6466
>
> Take PowerBuilder to the Web with EAF 4.0
> http://www.cynergysystems.com/public/products/eaf
>
>
> "Mark Maslow" <NOmark.maslow@sierraclub.orgSPAM> wrote in message
> news:MPG. 1df9024363ddbf779896
9a@forums.sybase.com...
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| Chris Pollach 2005-12-02, 7:24 am |
|
Yes, JSF is a definite step forward!
"Mark Maslow" <NOmark.maslow@sierraclub.orgSPAM> wrote in message
news:MPG. 1df9024363ddbf779896
9a@forums.sybase.com...[color=darkred]
> In article <438f504f$1@forums-1-dub>,
> carson.hager@do_no_spam.cynergysystems.com says...
>
> In a perfect world I could have ASP.NET style code behind with the
> richness of the features of J2EE web apps.
>
>
> JSF gets you at least some of the way there, although it's still kind of
> raw. But extremely powerful and highly extensible. I've been using it
> quite successfully for my latest project. My main gripe is that the
> current version doesn't play so well with the current version of JSP.
> Next version is supposed to address that. But I suspect I'll swap out
> the JSP renderer for the Facelets renderer for my next project, and may
> not need to look back.
>
>
> carson says...
>
> I've dedicated myself to technologies that are a step ( or two ) beyond
> that of traditional web applications. Frankly, I hate the web.
>
>
> Yeah, well, ya gotta deal with reality - especially for public-facing
> stuff. I noticed that your website is now all Flash. Pretty cool stuff
> for highly interactive apps, but I frankly think it's inappropriate for
> just presenting summary information and press releases. Why load Flash
> just to get your contact info or see who Carson Hagar is? And then
> again if I stupidly hit the back button. There are some things the web
> actually does pretty well.
>
> Oh well - each to his own. Unlike some people who like to post on these
> forums, I think having choices is a good thing.
>
>
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