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| billmiami2@netscape.net 2005-08-23, 8:25 pm |
| We don't have summer holiday here like people do in Europe. While many
people in the U.S. take some time off during the summer, it's
typically a couple of weeks at most. My fiancee is from the U.K. and
calls the U.S. "The land of perpetual work". Most people don't even
take the little bit of vacation they have available to them, which can
be as little as 2 weeks per year. We have a few national holidays when
most businesses are closed: Thanksgiving (last Thursday of
November--most people take the following Friday off), July 4th holidays
(usually 2 days off), Memorial Day (last Monday in May), Labor Day
(First Monday in September), Christmas Day (but not Boxing Day) and New
Year's Day. Surprisingly, we still have a lot of retail businesses
that stay open on these holidays to take advantage of potential holiday
sales. Outside of that, it's business as usual.
Bill E.
Hollywood, FL
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-24, 3:24 am |
| <billmiami2@netscape.net> wrote
> We don't have summer holiday here like people do in Europe. While many
> people in the U.S. take some time off during the summer, it's
> typically a couple of weeks at most.
Except for teachers, of course.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
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| Mark 123 2005-08-24, 3:24 am |
| Thanks all.
BTW, here and in Australia, most businesses close down from December 24 for
3 weeks. School holidays are usually for 6 weeks from mid December or 2+
months for universities.
It's usually the hottest from January to March.
"Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> <billmiami2@netscape.net> wrote
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> Except for teachers, of course.
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>
> --
> Darryl Kerkeslager
>
> Power corrupts.
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> Knowledge is power.
> See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
>
>
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| Randy Harris 2005-08-24, 3:24 am |
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"Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> <billmiami2@netscape.net> wrote
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> Except for teachers, of course.
Many teachers have "summer" jobs, many teach summer school. (IMO, we don't
pay teachers near what we should) (and before you ask - no, I am not a
teacher)
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| Val Baeder 2005-08-24, 8:26 pm |
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"Randy Harris" <randy@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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> Many teachers have "summer" jobs, many teach summer school. (IMO, we
> don't
> pay teachers near what we should) (and before you ask - no, I am not a
> teacher)
>
One thing's for sure: You don't teach economics.
Teachers get paid what they're worth period.
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-24, 8:26 pm |
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> "Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote
Randy Harris" <randy@SpamFree.com> wrote[color=darkred]
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> Many teachers have "summer" jobs, many teach summer school. (IMO, we
> don't
> pay teachers near what we should) (and before you ask - no, I am not a
> teacher)
>
Those summer jobs are *their* choice, and an opportunity granted to teachers
to make more money over the summer, that no other public employee gets.
It's called a "benefit". Another *benefit* is the opportunity to make even
more money by coaching and other paid overtime activities, that few other
public employees are given. Let's not ignore the fact that teacher's with
children can, and do, choose not to work summers, or after 3:30 pm - so they
have no daycare expenses. I've paid as much as $9,600/year for after-school
and summer daycare - so I call that a pretty darn substantial benefit.
Also, the fresh-out-of-college salary for a teacher with zero experience is
pretty darn good. While teacher's unions are more than willing to compare
salaries with the private sector, they don't have a lot to say about
comparisons with other public sector, comparably-educated positions (who
work all 12 months).
Having just watched today as seven police officers put themselves at
personal risk surrounding a building with a potentially armed suspect
inside, and knowing that they may be doing the same thing during midnight
shift in two days, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "kids are so
horrible" and "I have to grade papers some nights" argument, either.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
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| David W. Fenton 2005-08-24, 8:26 pm |
| "Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Having just watched today as seven police officers put themselves
> at personal risk surrounding a building with a potentially armed
> suspect inside, and knowing that they may be doing the same thing
> during midnight shift in two days, I don't have a lot of sympathy
> for the "kids are so horrible" and "I have to grade papers some
> nights" argument, either.
If you've never actually made your living as a teacher, you really
don't have a clue how much work it is.
The *classroom* day may end at 3:30pm for many teachers, but their
workday lasts a helluva lot longer. Papers don't grade themselves,
you know.
Secondly, summers almost always involve substantial professional
development for any teacher who is not a hack.
Teaching is one of those jobs where you're never really off the
clock, but non-teachers just can't conceive of how that works.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-25, 3:37 am |
| I think that there are very many of us in other publicly-funded professions
such as police officers, fireman, parole officers, CPS workers, medical
staff (there are some public ones), etc, who have been called out or worked
on weekends, at 1 am, 4 am, holidays, etc who can very much conceive of how
nice it would be to occasionally work to 6 pm :)
Secondly, our professional development is chucked in with everything else,
leaving our urgent work piling up, not on our own schedule during extended
holiday.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXfenton@bway.net.invalid> wrote
> "Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:vvadnbjDd7Xla5H
eRVn-sA@comcast.com:
>
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> If you've never actually made your living as a teacher, you really
> don't have a clue how much work it is.
>
> The *classroom* day may end at 3:30pm for many teachers, but their
> workday lasts a helluva lot longer. Papers don't grade themselves,
> you know.
>
> Secondly, summers almost always involve substantial professional
> development for any teacher who is not a hack.
>
> Teaching is one of those jobs where you're never really off the
> clock, but non-teachers just can't conceive of how that works.
>
> --
> David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
> dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-25, 3:37 am |
| "Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote
> Thank you for not being a teacher. You have done society a huge favor not
> having your presence in the field.
I believe I'm doing society as much or greater a service as a parole
officer. Go figure.
Oddly, I bet police officers and EMTs and fireman all believe they're doing
a service by not being teachers. Go figure.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
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| Val Baeder 2005-08-25, 3:37 am |
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"Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I believe I'm doing society as much or greater a service as a parole
> officer. Go figure.
>
All right. I shall figure. The parole officer is a parasite who relies on
other parasites to feed him. Namely, the parasitic parole officer lives off
the social failures created by the parasitic public school teachers.
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| David W. Fenton 2005-08-25, 8:25 pm |
| rkc <rkc@rochester.yabba.dabba.do.rr.bomb> wrote in
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> David W. Fenton wrote:
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>
> Boo Hoo.
> Non-teachers can't conceive of how tenure works either.
Getting tenure takes a huge amount of work, at least, at the college
level. It's basically 10 years of servitude at no pay, huge teaching
loads and an incredible amount of research required.
If you haven't been in academia in the last 15 years, you have no
clue whatsoever how hard getting tenure is.
I can't speak to tenure in public schools because I know nothing
about the mechanisms involved. But I think it's something that, in
the US at least, where there are lots of anti-intellectual elements
gaining the upper hand, people who want to tell teachers what to
teach, that tenure is essential to help preserve the quality of
education. Without tenure the idiots who want to teach so-called
"intelligent design" in science classes have a better chance of
winning. With tenure, teachers can resist these brain-dead moves to
pollute science with non-science.
Yes, incompetent people can get tenure and then it's hard to remove
them.
But, guess what -- business is just as bad about promoting the
incompetent. Dilbert didn't imagine the pointy-haired boss type --
we all recognize it as a type that we've encountered many, many
times.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
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"David W. Fenton" <dXXXfenton@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Without tenure the idiots who want to teach so-called
> "intelligent design" in science classes have a better chance of
> winning. With tenure, teachers can resist these brain-dead moves to
> pollute science with non-science.
You're living proof intelligent design is a bogus theory.
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| Randy Harris 2005-08-25, 8:25 pm |
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"Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
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> Randy Harris" <randy@SpamFree.com> wrote
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> Those summer jobs are *their* choice, and an opportunity granted to
teachers
> to make more money over the summer, that no other public employee gets.
> It's called a "benefit". Another *benefit* is the opportunity to make
even
> more money by coaching and other paid overtime activities, that few other
> public employees are given. Let's not ignore the fact that teacher's with
> children can, and do, choose not to work summers, or after 3:30 pm - so
they
> have no daycare expenses. I've paid as much as $9,600/year for
after- school
> and summer daycare - so I call that a pretty darn substantial benefit.
>
> Also, the fresh-out-of-college salary for a teacher with zero experience
is
> pretty darn good. While teacher's unions are more than willing to compare
> salaries with the private sector, they don't have a lot to say about
> comparisons with other public sector, comparably-educated positions (who
> work all 12 months).
>
> Having just watched today as seven police officers put themselves at
> personal risk surrounding a building with a potentially armed suspect
> inside, and knowing that they may be doing the same thing during midnight
> shift in two days, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the "kids are so
> horrible" and "I have to grade papers some nights" argument, either.
>
>
>
> --
> Darryl Kerkeslager
>
> Power corrupts.
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> Knowledge is power.
> See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
Darryl, for what it's worth, I advocate both requiring higher standards and
offering better pay for teachers, but not to the discredit of other public
service employees. By stating that teachers should be paid more I do not
mean to suggest that police officers shouldn't. I know something about the
salaries paid to teachers but little about those paid to law enforcement
workers. I suspect that many do deserve better pay. But that
justification, if it exists, does so regardless of what teachers get paid.
Randy Harris
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-25, 8:25 pm |
| Randy Harris" <randy@SpamFree.com> wrote
> Darryl, for what it's worth, I advocate both requiring higher standards
> and
> offering better pay for teachers, but not to the discredit of other public
> service employees. By stating that teachers should be paid more I do not
> mean to suggest that police officers shouldn't. I know something about
> the
> salaries paid to teachers but little about those paid to law enforcement
> workers. I suspect that many do deserve better pay. But that
> justification, if it exists, does so regardless of what teachers get paid.
Unfortunately, the reality is that an increase in salaries for teachers
means that money must come from somewhere else.
I believe that the days when teachers - like when my mother taught - were
horribly underpaid are long gone. Starting salaries around Richmond, VA are
about $34,000, depending on locality, and this is not a high-income area. I
believe average home prices are now about $170,000. Nobody will get rich
off that, but, it is not 'poverty wages', either.
My original point was that summer holiday is a huge benefit that teachers
enjoy. Certainly people are free to dispute that, but until the NEA starts
advocating for 'No Summer Break', anyone who says that it's a liability and
not a benefit isn't being realistic.
Thank you, BTW, for your reasonable post. I was beginning to lose faith in
this NG.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
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| Darryl Kerkeslager 2005-08-26, 3:24 am |
| "rkc" <rkc@rochester.yabba.dabba.do.rr.bomb> wrote
> Darryl Kerkeslager wrote:
>
>
> Why? People participate in this newsgroup because they have an interest
> in using MS Access and helping others in that endeavor. It doesn't mean
> the newsgroup isn't over flowing with people who will disagree with you on
> every other topic under the sun.
Yeah, but the level of the flames were pretty low.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Knowledge is power.
See www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927
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| David W. Fenton 2005-08-26, 8:24 pm |
| "Darryl Kerkeslager" <kerkeslager@comcast.net> wrote in
news:_oOdndCWQ6NL0ZP
eRVn-2w@comcast.com:
> My original point was that summer holiday is a huge benefit that
> teachers enjoy. Certainly people are free to dispute that, but
> until the NEA starts advocating for 'No Summer Break', anyone who
> says that it's a liability and not a benefit isn't being
> realistic.
Well, it's a good thing, then, that nobody was arguing that.
Summer "vacation" is a benefit, but it doesn't really mean that
teachers work fewer hours in a year. It only means that they do
their work seasonally, with days that usually last longer than the
typical 8-hour workday in other fields.
Teaching provides you with quite a bit more independence and
flexibility than a lot of jobs, but it also requires a lot in terms
of ongoing professional development and uncompensated overtime.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
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